And if the planets are the cause of suffering and happiness, then also where is the relationship with the eternal soul? The planets influence only the bodies that have taken birth. Expert astrologers have moreover explained that suffering is caused by the planets causing affliction to each other. Therefore, since the living entity is distinct from these planets and from the material body, against whom should he vent his anger? If you claim that planets are the cause of suffering, what role has the unborn jīva in this? The planets relate to bodies which are born. Depending on the ascendant at birth, the planets situated in the twelve zodiac signs become causes of suffering by placement in the eighth house for instance. The astrologers also say that the planets in the sky afflict each other by various aspects, and this is the cause of suffering. They do not afflict the person. The affliction from planets arises from the jīva’s identity with the body, which is born on the ascendant. With whom should the jīva, different from the body and the planets, become angry?