Prabhupāda: ...punishment, Kali-yuga. But this is proper punishment. Because the public also, they’re not anxious to become God conscious.
Hari Śauri: No. They’re anxious to avoid it. There’s a few, but not many.
Prabhupāda: So they must be punished, with such rogues and thieves. That is stated in the Bhāgavatam. It is nature’s punishment. [end]